i don't believe you have to change the basic structure of medicare as paul -- and medicaid as paul ryan does. it think you can find great, great savings by working the inefficiencies. anyone who's gone through it knows the inefficiencies in the system. they're just incredible. >> or -- excuse me, i apologize. john? is. >> speaker boehner yesterday talked about not increasing tax rates on small businesses, so if that framework could be accomplished, what kind of revenues could be raised within that framework from your point of view, and could you consider the limit on the value of deductions that the president's had in his budget -- >> okay. first, in terms of small businesses how do you define a small business, and that's, again, one of the sort of slippery slopes a little bit. do you define a multibillion dollar entertainment company, sports team or hedge fund as a small business because their structure happens to be a business structure? and so i think there's, i think everyone agrees that what we really mean when we say small business, what the typical voter envisions when we mean sm